Pat Martino Interview by AbstractLogix


Pat Martino is cosmically a very powerful figure and we all know what he has contributed to the world of jazz guitar . He travelled to the streets of Harlem in the late fifties with a meticulous desire for learning jazz . After studying under his mentor, the great John Coltrane, he stepped out and expanded his horizons into all aspects of music and made music that has a place of its own. Over the years, his playing influenced music as well as his contemporaries. Suffice it to say that his work will influence musicians for a long time to come.

It is quite the powerful experience when you have had the chance to speak with or meet a person whom you have admired for a considerable time of your life, someone of extraordinary calibre and acheivements, someone who has floored you with their humility. Pat Martino was kind enough to take the time to share some of his thoughts about his new project, his music and his life with us.
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WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING LATELY ?

Ans: It is very difficult for me to classify everything that I have been doing to one general target, so in that sense it is quite difficult to say. I move my life from moment to moment. It is the present moment that is so full of joy and excitement . It is as important and fun as any moment or anything in the past. I have been playing music , travelling and enjoying my family.

2. I HEARD THAT YOU JUST FINISHED RECORDING YOUR NEXT ALBUM . COULD YOU KINDLY SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT IT ?

Ans : The new album is called THINK TANK . It has been a great experience for me. The music is really about social experiences that I have had with everyone in my life. When I started the project, I really was not sure how it was going to evolve; however, quite a number of things began to invisibly form and and take a shape and a meaning that was not predetermined. Christian Mcbride and the rest of us have been very involved throught the project. It was a very deep interest of mine to bring all five of us together in unison. I was a little worried in the beginning, for the material was difficult to choose. Sometimes, you worry if everyone will personally enjoy it. The music has a lot to do with John Coltrane, in fact, it is a personal tribute. There are a few compositions about him.
The song, " Think Tank " itself is similar to a standard minor blues, its construction was odd comparatively. The topic for the motif is drawn from three words: Coltrane, Tenor and Blue. Their transfer into melodies came from the interface of the English Alphabet and the Aeolian Mode, which in itself is a mirror image of the first seven letters of that alphabet , A to G, continuously repeated from H to Z. The placement of the tones, phrasing and chord changes were improvised.
It is a study that is referred to as " ALPHABETIC JUNCTION ". Using all 26 letters of the English alphabet you coordinate scale that forms to the letters, in the western context being seven tones in numbers, splitting that into 3 parts and then broken again. I just finished a clinic and part of that was
" GIANT STEPS "by John Coltrane which was a turning point from Bebop to Hard Bop and rather than dealing with normal repetition , it became a deep interest of mine to bring different dimensions. "SACRED GEOMETRY" is a paralell and similar subject .....

3. WHAT INSPIRES YOU TO WRITE MUSIC ?

Ans : I am not sure how to even answer that. You know, it is very similar to human anatomy. It is a part of my life and the fuel for my inspiration and existence. It is almost imposssible for me to contain my emotions and ideas and somehow it takes of itself.

4. AFTER OVERCOMING THE SERIOUS PHYSICAL ENCOUNTERS IN YOUR LIFE, DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVE RE DEDICATED YOURSELF TO MUSIC ?

Ans : You bet !!. My desire and dedication have increased exponentially. Don't get me wrong, I have always loved and desired to play music. When I was starting out, I dreamt of being a jazz guitar player and having a rich and fulfilling career . After I recovered from amnesia and returned to dexterity, my craftmanship has transcended seamlessly, my focus began to travel towards my destination and everything else around me . The destination was the " MOMENT ", the " PRESENT ". In essence, this beautiful world of ours. I feel rejuvenated today, seems like I have returned to my childhood with a keen interest and inquisitive about everything revolving around my life ; the music , the people, the social fibre. Music is my second nature, as Jimi Hendrix would say , " The difference between power of love and love of power ".

5. WHAT DID YOU LOOK FOR WHEN YOU DESIGNED THE GUITAR FOR GIBSON ?

Ans : I looked for a lot of sustain in its sound. One of my other interests was cost, so I removed the inlay. The strings lay straight across the headstock, allowing you to place the first finger behind the nut as if it were on the first fret instead of totally open. The " F "on the 6th string would now be conceived on the second fret as opposed to the first, along with fingerings that remain similar to the players familiarity. The open strings remain straight like they already do across the rest of the fingerboard. The carved top is made of Tiger Maple on the Custom model and Regular Maple on the Standard model. The fret board is made of full ebony on the Custom and an ebony-rosewood mixture on the Standard . The pick ups are 1957 humbucking pickups. The guitar itself is a cross between a Les Paul Custom and a L5S.

6. DO YOU EVER LISTEN TO YOUR OLD RECORDINGS ?

Ans : I actually do not listen to any of my old stuff. Pat Metheny once told me how he thought that certain stages of recording are the closest experience that men can relate to labor pains. You have to get away from it sometimes. When the album is done, you just have to let it go on its own journey. It has its own freedom and most of the time the result is favourable and surprising.

7. WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO REISSUE JOYOUS LAKE AND FOLLOW IT UP WITH STONE BLUE ?

Ans : It was a very personal decision . Joyous lake was a great band, as well as an exciting recording and I wanted to reactivate the interest. Delmar Brown, bassist James Genus and drummer Kenwood Dennard along with the addition of Eric Alexander on Tenor Saxophone brought everything full circle. I had a dedication to the band
Joyous Lake which was recorded in 1976, before I stopped performing for almost 10 years.

8. ALL SIDES NOW WAS JUST A GREAT RECORDING, I LOVED THE PIECES WITH MICHAEL HEDGES AND THE ONE WITH CASSANDRA
WILSON WHERE YOU COVER A GREAT JONI MITCHELL COMPOSION

Ans : Absolutely. Michael was such a great soul. Once when I was in a hospital in
New York City, he would come and play, even when I was out of reality and consciousness. I really admired it when he brought to my attention his love for 12 tone music and his love for composers like Stockhausen and Morton Feldman. He was also very fond of alternate tunings which made his music sound quite interesting. I deeply miss him today . All sides now by Joni is a piece of music that I love. It is really about the moment.

9. I AM ASSUMING YOU HAVE DEVELOPED A FONDNESS FOR DIGITAL ART ?

Ans : I enjoy exploring concepts in Sacred Geometry as far as forms of the art . It helps me to understand the importance of organization. The computer is like a sketchbook, encyclopedic in size, and allows so much to be done........ quite enjoyable.

10. WE CAN KEEP TALKING ALL DAY , BUT ONE LAST QUESTION , HOW DID THE RECORD
" FIREDANCE " HAPPEN ?

Ans : Peter Block called me and asked me if I would be interested in doing a project with an Indian motif. I love the Indian ragas and tala systems. So, I went out to
California and remained there for 3 days. I love North Indian music and all they asked was for me to correlate ragas to wester jazz improvisations. "Baiyina "was idiomatically the first of my east / west recordings and FIREDANCE was the second. Also, JOYOUS LAKE and STONE BLUE although different were similar. It seems to be a cyclic event, repeating itself on its own. I am sure it will happen again, sometime in the future.


Thanks a lot for your time Pat, it is definitely a highlight to be able to speak to a living Legend. We wish you the best of health and a long, fruitful, musical journey.

All pictures and art have been used with permission of Pat Martino. AbstractLogix would like to thank Pat, the great photographers and artists for them.

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