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Kara James, concerning gender markers I like your idea of using "man" and "fem". But I'd suggest that they not only serve as markers but actually mean "man" and "woman". Although your idea of "fem om" is interesting, and sort of like "ishah" in Hebrew, or "woman" (wif-man) in Eng. The word "Om" isn't to me "human" but rather "man", I'd then suggest that you use something like "uman" for "human" or person... thus fem uman man uman w/regards, Jay B. --- In eurocreole@y..., "James Chandler" <idojc@h...> wrote: > I have already made use of the sex markers 'man' and 'fem'. Refreshing my > acquaintance with Mandarin, I am pleased to see that it has two parallel sex > particles, 'nan' and 'nu' (dont ask me to mark the tones!). > > In previous examples I have used 'fem' on its own to mean 'woman (female > human being)'. I now think that these particles should be (stative) verbal, > so that they need to be followed by 'om' to indicate 'man' or 'woman': > > fem om - 'woman' > man om - 'man' >

From: "James Chandler" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:55am
Subject: Re: Re: Negatives and affirmatives

Jay: >this differentiation >between No and Non >isn't really needed. >In a creole language >most unneeded >features would be >deleted. Just the >basics would be >fine. I'd suggest >that No be used >whenever Non >is used and there >isn't any loss of >meaning as a >result. For the general negative particle 'non' is definitely the best form, being just the right weight. J has shown in his studies of negation in Eng and other languages that an nV form is too light and tends to be supplemented by a postnominal element (eg. Fr. 'pas', orig. 'step'). Despite Fr., I would like a shorter form for the negative response, where perhaps 'non' is a little too heavy. But perhaps we should use 'non' even here. The only disadvantage is that responses like: Non, mi non ja pa vida le sound a bit repetitive. This indicates that a variant form 'no' would be useful (I dont think we need be so spartan as to exclude a limited number of variants, eg. 'on' as pronoun form of 'om'). Kordiale, James Chandler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=H7yU1OMgFmtqcRfSCwWXykDL8kKrCoZS-sGPxdo0ByEPeL5Vu_9lVOJ6xivTd2ULd0dVdGhWmR5l http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com/

From: "James Chandler" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu Oct 10, 2002 2:12am
Subject: Re: Re: Sex particles (again)

Jay: >concerning gender markers >I like your idea of using "man" >and "fem". But I'd suggest that >they not only serve as markers >but actually mean "man" and >"woman". Although your idea >of "fem om" is interesting, and >sort of like "ishah" in Hebrew, >or "woman" (wif-man) in Eng. I like the idea of having short forms for 'man' and 'woman', but when I think about I dont see why 'fem' should mean 'female human' any more than 'female pig' or 'female deer'. I cant justify it logically. So it looks like 'fem om' and 'man om' are the best we can do. >The word "Om" isn't to me >"human" but rather "man", >I'd then suggest that you use >something like "uman" for >"human" or person... thus >fem uman >man uman No, 'om' is definitely the right form for 'human being', equivalent to Mand. 'ren' or Glosa 'pe'. Fr. 'homme' is not just masculine, eg. Musee de l'homme. In any case, we need 'uman' for the adj 'humane' > 'uman so' 'humanity' (not 'mankind', for which we need 'om' + an equivalent of the Ido suffix -aro). Kordiale, James Chandler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=ig7ZOWjO_o2lxZOb-ujgjiIRO4A3o3wJx-PAUkgF5VwRwA5fGu7tnyCgDVXYKPS4l2219LXoGT7qfoYm http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com/

From: "James Chandler" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:27pm
Subject: Re: and this leads to violence

>Eurocreole: >Kwa tem lingua fi korupta, om perda fida so a ki le eskuta kel e to dukta a >violente so. I missed out a word there. Also 'kwa' is probably not necessary: Tem lingua fi korupta, om perda fida so a to ki le eskuta kel e to dukta a violente so. That makes more sense. Kordiale, James Chandler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=Fz5F9NMcacmvaqJILyQrc39PZhNHfbStqWYzrefpVLrDBXrbVHssFPDKaxcVaYxENHpBbdJfR9K_Dfo http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com/

From: "James Chandler" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:16pm
Subject: Re: and this leads to violence

Jay posted: >English >- when the language is corrupted, people lose faith in what they hear >(feel) >and this leads to violence >Author - W. H. Auden If I may be so bold as to add some more of my own: Ido: Kande la linguo es koruptata, homi perdas fido a to quon li askoltas e co duktas a violento. Novial: Quand li lingue bli korupte, homes perda fido a tum kel les askolta e disum dukte a violenteso. Eurocreole: Kwa tem lingua fi korupta, om perda fida so a ki le eskuta kel e to dukta a violente so. (Note the gradual evolution of the relative construction from Ido to EC.) Kordiale, James Chandler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=MJjtJo62uPJ0v_kxlIVtgzK7C-FGRJCRepybKb_ZYlkkK3I0o9VwwBC2GvXc0GbNx3CaQ_zUnng http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com/

From: "James Chandler" <[email protected]>
Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 3:03am
Subject: Re: and this leads to violence

Kjell: > > Kwa tem lingua fi korupta, om perda fida so a ki le eskuta kel e to >dukta a > > violente so. > >Un coraji proba! Danka so, Kjell. But let me first repeat the corrected version: Tem lingua fi korupta, om perda fida so a to ki le eskuta kel e to dukta a violente so. >Proquo no _e to dukta a violentum._ (?) >Le violence es per consequent un abstractum. I prefer to start from an adj (in Eurocreole stative verb) 'violente', and derive the sb with the regular nominalizing particle 'so' (which is at the same time the equivalent of Ido -eso, -ago and -o). Let me explain a little about the structure of Eurocreole. First, notice that in vocab terms it is clearly derived from Ido and Novial, but in some ways leans towards the ultra-modernism of Occ ('eskuta' Fr. ecouter, Sp. escuchar). Second, the default vowel endings are -a for verbs and -e for nouns and adjs. It is useful in general to have these endings to facilitate recall of the forms. However, verbs dont have to end in -a, and adjs and nouns dont have to end in -e if the international forms do not ('lingua'), and forms that end in a simple nasal to not need a vowel ending, which is provided mainly for ease of pronunciation. Eurocreole has a range of particles, of which 'tem' (time) is one. Question words are bimorphemic, as in creoles: kwa tem = what time = when kwa lo = what place = where etc. The passive particle is 'fi' from Late Novial. Plural marking is optional (pluralizer: 'ban', postposed). Adjs are stative verbs, which means that the same nominalizing particle 'so' is used with both (fida so, violente so). Relatives are formed using the open-bracket 'ki', which signals the start of the relative clause (programmers might liken it to a 'subroutine' statement), and the invariable relative particle 'kel'. Order in relatives is the normal sentence order, with 'kel' appearing where the relativized phrase normally would: le eskuta to to ki [le eskuta kel] 'ki' may also be used as a close-bracket ('End Sub statement'), but will rarely be needed. This bracketing method is used in Mod. Persian ('ke') and some creoles such as Hawaiian CE ('ia'). Kordiale, James Chandler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=BFkM706oEjhHd097tExrFV67wsUtpCLOkdb3a5k9xm8fK9K2SHM9DkqCJdhhX6GBjf6Zey9L4A http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com/

From: "James Chandler" <[email protected]>
Date: Sun Oct 13, 2002 3:07am
Subject: Re: and this leads to violence

Jay: >maybe "fida" is better as >"fide" as in Interlingua, since >that's the Latin root and it >also happens to end in "e". In general I dont want to have to follow the ins and outs of the romanic infinitives -er, -ar, -ir etc. Sometimes there will be a vowel ending which lends internationality to the word, eg. lingua - even Eng speakers have Linguaphone, lingua franca, interlingua veni - many Eng speakers know the Latin phrase 'veni vidi vici' The only Eng word which seems directly related to fid- is 'fiduciary', which I didnt even know until just now. So I dont think there is really any great internationality to the -e ending on this verb. Lets continue this thread on eurocreole. Kordiale, James Chandler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=afSlnuIBeCa6YKOYNvrFQHDWWVrHzR6tjIUBkKfHr0FS7_rrVuAlfz_HVDNct5_8AM05G5IDjb8xMWc http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "I come from a country which does not yet exist." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

From: "Jay Bowks" <[email protected]>
Date: Sun Oct 13, 2002 10:26am
Subject: fidelity

jjbowks

From: "James Chandler" <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=k0Lwg_89teJz7-jQE-lZBipkTMcAo4XXJDEm-isQB44SVhep5utT6HiQHtOBa_51kJY59dsJIPrb> > The only Eng word which seems directly related to fid- is 'fiduciary', which > I didnt even know until just now. So I dont think there is really any great > internationality to the -e ending on this verb. Well, one very well known word would be "hi-fi" which stands for "high fidelity". And who doesn't know Fidel Castro, well, not personally any way... In Spanish and Portuguese it's "fe" but there is also "fidelidad" and "fidelidade". Faithfully yours ;-) Jay B.

From: "James Chandler" <[email protected]>
Date: Tue Oct 15, 2002 7:26am
Subject: Two more suffixes

Two suffixes which are very handy in Ido are the diminutive -et and augmentative -eg. For -et we can use a preposed particle 'ti'. This form is found in Fr. creoles eg. Morisyen (< Fr. 'petit'). It can be thought of as a short form of 'mikro': ti bele - pretty (or 'joli') ti pluva - spit with rain, drizzle ti rivere - stream For -eg we will need to construct something more or less artificially. Ideally this will be a simple CV monosyllable. For the consonant, 'g' suggests itself as the first letter of 'grande'. The close vowel 'i' is psychologically linked to smallness, so to contrast with this we need an open vowel, for which 'a' seems the obvious choice. We thus arrive at 'ga', which can be thought of as a short form of 'grande': ga pluva so - downpour ga kasa - mansion Kordiale, James Chandler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=iFgeUfAshkJuLBiE347M-bJZoG8XokyGXiix0qasSkk4HL3qg-bsKub1tXdzRlIF0p3aUa74B3s http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "Mi veni de lande ki kel non ja eksista." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com/

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From: "James Chandler" <[email protected]>
Date: Tue Oct 15, 2002 8:51am
Subject: -inda and -enda

Another pair of extremely useful suffixes in Ido is: -inda - worth doing -enda - must be done For the latter we can simply combine two particles: mus fi konsidera kos - things that must be considered For the former, we might as well just use the verb 'merita': merita fi eskuta musike - music worth listening to Kordiale, James Chandler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=1ZJRPCi_z1qGlK-baIGPkuP7IZlp5q19jTjcGOzQsbmAdwOrjiZABjRm92iq7NHodPiJ7M0rRJk9mgs http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "Mi veni de lande ki kel non ja eksista." - J. Craveirinha _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com/

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From: "endipatterson" <[email protected]>
Date: Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:11pm
Subject: Var/Yok/Cok

endipatterson

Two very useful words in Turkish are "Var" and "Yok". These words don't really translate well into English, but a near approximation would be "(There/It) exists" and "(There/It) does not exist" These words can be used in two ways: 1. In questions 2. In answers 1. If I went into a shop and wanted to know if they had coffee, I could ask, "Kava var mu?" Literally: "Coffee exists [+quesion marker]?" If I could see everything and could not see any coffee, I could ask, "Kava yok mu?" Literally: "Coffee doesn't exist [+question marker]? 2. In either case, the shopkeeper could answer "Var" Literally: It exists or "Yok" Literally: It does not exist. These words then take on a function in answers similar to "Yes" and "No". They do not replace "Yes" and "No" they are a useful subtelty. The Turkish for "Yes" and "No" are "Evet" and "Hayir" In English of course we can answer a question with "Maybe" as far as I know there is no analagous word meaning "Existance is uncertain" but I think such a word together with "Var" and "Yok" would be useful in a Eurocreole. "Cok" (actually in Turkish there is a cidilla under the "C" and it is pronounced /chock/ as in "Chocks away!") is another useful word which is used to refer to anything vaguely big so is ideal for an isolating language. It can be variously translated in English as "big","very","too", etc. It is the reason why Turks often say, "This is very problem". I think it is useful to differentiate "too" implying excess which Turkish does not, however. Andrew Patterson

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From: "endipatterson" <[email protected]>
Date: Sat Aug 16, 2003 7:19am
Subject: Re: Possessive and articles

endipatterson

--- In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=7-pE9XOYhchLUbJFgoxVdmOwAwglETG2GFhniT-u-u-BOtT0WPDd5RTH_ovFnb_kkvCX6FWAc789f1QtoL46ZQ, Nicholas Hempshall <nick_hempshall@y...> wrote: > James Chandler wrote: > > I > > would like to propose that we dispense with both the > > def. art. and the short > > possessive method. This now seems to me to be a > > real simplification, and > > also makes the average sentence significantly > > shorter. > > > > I think this change will be the final move that > > makes the whole system snap > > together. I commend it to the group. > > I think this is a great idea. > > Nick > >It is important to differentiate between the definite and definite. It is OK if one or other artical is taken as the default case as in Ido, but one or other is needed. The distinction is as important as the difference between "this" and "that". Articles are missing in many languages and they are a relatively recent invention in those that have them, but they would not have been invented if there was not a need for them. > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com/

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From: "James Chandler" <[email protected]>
Date: Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:09am
Subject: Re: Re: Possessive and articles

Andy, Thanks for your message - the first one on this list for a quite a while! The background to the messages you quote below is the following: The initial plan was to allow simple genitives formed by preposing the pronoun to the sb, eg. mi auto - my car as found in many creoles. This would be an alternative to the regular method with 'de': li auto de mi BUT notice that the def. art. is implicit in the first form. So it would be inconsistent to allow this method and have no def. art. This is a parameter to be set in the design of the language. Due to problems with the simple genitive method, we eventually decided to do without articles, as does Chinese, for example. That means we have just: auto de mi and no fine distinction between this and: li auto de mi I think this results in a real simplification and nothing is really lost by not having articles. Kordiale, James Chandler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=IHdU7nWw1l_PqUIjZRkGNyujzj27ydpkZgkmGLxRR_bVhr8L1d7i0hnWQIQatUxm8WMQcbqFCUKQ http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "In the social equation, the value of a single life is nil; in the cosmic equation, it is infinite... Not only communism, but any political movement which implicitly relies on purely utilitarian ethics, must become a victim to the same fatal error. It is a fallacy as naïve as a mathematical teaser, and yet its consequences lead straight to Goya's Disasters, to the reign of the guillotine, the torture chambers of the Inquisition, or the cellars of the Lubianka." - Arthur Koestler, The Invisible Writing >From: "endipatterson" <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=saibeGqr2jhkY_OUHGcgbhruw7Kx24d8-SfakH69WkARilF8By6mjG96R51qBP2h4YEZ9YZ3EjUgaPZF9A-4UHs> >Reply-To: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=D-sWeBnrNKys5QI8ESGnGTQcy0Mpikx3B3x3zAuPPqqLbcQLmuQkTNassut79UqfoiK4VHFB5CQey54DWMoXLEsd_0o >To: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=D-sWeBnrNKys5QI8ESGnGTQcy0Mpikx3B3x3zAuPPqqLbcQLmuQkTNassut79UqfoiK4VHFB5CQey54DWMoXLEsd_0o >Subject: [eurocreole] Re: Possessive and articles >Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:19:16 -0000 > >--- In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=D-sWeBnrNKys5QI8ESGnGTQcy0Mpikx3B3x3zAuPPqqLbcQLmuQkTNassut79UqfoiK4VHFB5CQey54DWMoXLEsd_0o, Nicholas Hempshall ><nick_hempshall@y...> wrote: > > James Chandler wrote: > > > I > > > would like to propose that we dispense with both the > > > def. art. and the short > > > possessive method. This now seems to me to be a > > > real simplification, and > > > also makes the average sentence significantly > > > shorter. > > > > > > I think this change will be the final move that > > > makes the whole system snap > > > together. I commend it to the group. > > > > I think this is a great idea. > > > > Nick > > > >It is important to differentiate between the definite and definite. >It is OK if one or other artical is taken as the default case as in >Ido, but one or other is needed. The distinction is as important as >the difference between "this" and "that". Articles are missing in >many languages and they are a relatively recent invention in those >that have them, but they would not have been invented if there was >not a need for them. > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com/ > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=uCGvPpYGRjDQj4l_3AEJsPRWc6apg2HH2_aDOVnQs_S6Uby95VzJcNk-TGbjK9dUZRjuawQu7VQNBOSeUv6RlsWSij_NN33JTQF_YM-NXi5q > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile

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From: "endipatterson" <[email protected]>
Date: Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:59pm
Subject: Re: Possessive and articles

endipatterson

--- In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=i0manJj-GQ00I8977uhprbQaw-Ov3BkbjVzYyAr134RjnmPybGM_aqc39ZfhCtaUB2Qims5CvgyiyCz1NXO2qPg, "James Chandler" <idojc@h...> wrote: > Andy, > > Thanks for your message - the first one on this list for a quite a while! > > The background to the messages you quote below is the following: > The initial plan was to allow simple genitives formed by preposing the > pronoun to the sb, eg. > mi auto - my car > as found in many creoles. This would be an alternative to the regular > method with 'de': > li auto de mi > > BUT notice that the def. art. is implicit in the first form. So it would be > inconsistent to allow this method and have no def. art. This is a parameter > to be set in the design of the language. Due to problems with the simple > genitive method, we eventually decided to do without articles, as does > Chinese, for example. That means we have just: > auto de mi > and no fine distinction between this and: > li auto de mi > > I think this results in a real simplification and nothing is really lost by > not having articles. > > Kordiale, James Chandler Thanks, I thought you were trying to do away with articles completely which would not IMO have been a good idea. If I understand you right, I think the issue here is that "Mi" in "Mi auto" is a possessive pronoun, but it can also be classified as a determiner. Determiners are words which make reference to the noun more specific. The articles are also determiners, and I don't think reference to the noun is made any more specific by the inclusion of the definite article here. In English "my" and the other possessive adjectives can be used in this way anyway. Colloqually of course it is common in British English to talk about "Me car" meaning "My car" and in Carribean English it is pretty well standard. You still need to distinguish between "my car" and "a car of mine" of course. By the way, have you thought about incorporating any of my ideas about Definite v Indefinite from the Auxlang list? Andrew Patterson > idojc@h... > http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index > http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home > > "In the social equation, the value of a single life is nil; in the cosmic > equation, it is infinite... Not only communism, but any political movement > which implicitly relies on purely utilitarian ethics, must become a victim > to the same fatal error. It is a fallacy as naïve as a mathematical teaser, > and yet its consequences lead straight to Goya's Disasters, to the reign of > the guillotine, the torture chambers of the Inquisition, or the cellars of > the Lubianka." - Arthur Koestler, The Invisible Writing > > > > > > >From: "endipatterson" <endipatterson@y...> > >Reply-To: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=i0manJj-GQ00I8977uhprbQaw-Ov3BkbjVzYyAr134RjnmPybGM_aqc39ZfhCtaUB2Qims5CvgyiyCz1NXO2qPg > >To: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=i0manJj-GQ00I8977uhprbQaw-Ov3BkbjVzYyAr134RjnmPybGM_aqc39ZfhCtaUB2Qims5CvgyiyCz1NXO2qPg > >Subject: [eurocreole] Re: Possessive and articles > >Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:19:16 -0000 > > > >--- In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=i0manJj-GQ00I8977uhprbQaw-Ov3BkbjVzYyAr134RjnmPybGM_aqc39ZfhCtaUB2Qims5CvgyiyCz1NXO2qPg, Nicholas Hempshall > ><nick_hempshall@y...> wrote: > > > James Chandler wrote: > > > > I > > > > would like to propose that we dispense with both the > > > > def. art. and the short > > > > possessive method. This now seems to me to be a > > > > real simplification, and > > > > also makes the average sentence significantly > > > > shorter. > > > > > > > > I think this change will be the final move that > > > > makes the whole system snap > > > > together. I commend it to the group. > > > > > > I think this is a great idea. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > >It is important to differentiate between the definite and definite. > >It is OK if one or other artical is taken as the default case as in > >Ido, but one or other is needed. The distinction is as important as > >the difference between "this" and "that". Articles are missing in > >many languages and they are a relatively recent invention in those > >that have them, but they would not have been invented if there was > >not a need for them. > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > > > http://sbc.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=fGLcT4O1UyecGW0pmoxQoS0hqYUY0JNIn0ew8afR9v3A9UZJO9yzTA4IScHVn4XQ84ZLwvd6biGXuTF_W_P1lHnaWInu5u5i0RCLD5-o6OPW > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile

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From: "endipatterson" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:47pm
Subject: Files

endipatterson

I notice the "Files" section of this noticeboard is empty. Might I make the suggestion that once a discussion about grammar or vocabulary comes to a consensus it be used for grammar and vocabulary that has been decided upon. Andrew Patterson.

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From: "James Chandler" <[email protected]>
Date: Sat Aug 30, 2003 10:42am
Subject: Re: Files

Thanks Andy, thats a good suggestion. We should also have a website where we keep a record of decisions made on the design of Eurocreole. I have been meaning to gather up all the decisions from the existing archive and write them up as a webpage, but havent found time to do so yet. Kordiale, James Chandler http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=yOn0_UCb-__kaTkXh86tfp1g13sBSXOmY1Jz9Eow-jIRjQBvS-tJRFxZt0R4jEA3Txn-3J2CkPg http://www.geocities.com/idojc - IALs index http://www.geocities.com/idojc/yindex.html - Ido index http://groups.yahoo.com/group/idolisto - Idolisto home "NO MORE WALLS. NO MORE WARS. A UNITED WORLD." - Mural at the East Side Gallery, Berlin >From: "endipatterson" <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=whPNBzl8yB9zTIH4WDvWkWG3l996tds57lVtKCVaMVU_oK6frIbMDuup3eZjzBIbfP-lwkmsECwdhAqOZPA> >Reply-To: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=lQhf4nriMoOee-ft1J1IaY5dWgC9eKR73lqbdakGjgwcYOpSCYBis7J-Z9fz8O85kZc_ISAOKwv5yN0LsW78Ng >To: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=lQhf4nriMoOee-ft1J1IaY5dWgC9eKR73lqbdakGjgwcYOpSCYBis7J-Z9fz8O85kZc_ISAOKwv5yN0LsW78Ng >Subject: [eurocreole] Files >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:47:21 -0000 > >I notice the "Files" section of this noticeboard is empty. > >Might I make the suggestion that once a discussion about grammar or >vocabulary comes to a consensus it be used for grammar and vocabulary >that has been decided upon. > >Andrew Patterson. > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eurocreole/post?postID=4SwB6DHy2M-ym9bzqb9D8Qqun95XiVleNVKGViEt7HY0Y6zT6UrGySJECjdiDl3wX9GkagWkfJX59rPfimH8jVWZ6HZ3A9rWRmX8_pvzars > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

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From: "endipatterson" <[email protected]>
Date: Wed Sep 3, 2003 4:17am
Subject: Aspectual markers

endipatterson

Have you thought about marking verb aspect by seperate words? For an excellent discussion on aspect visit http://www.invisiblelighthouse.com/langlab/aspect.html

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From: "James Chandler" <[email protected]>
Date: Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:19am
Subject: Closure of Eurocreole