--- John (Orlando, Fl) wrote:
> I am curious about who is based here in
> Orlando: Ziyad Sadaqa Salam at 512 Cedar Bend,
> for example...does this person actually work
> there? are there computers running sites from that
> location? a staff running things? what do you
> think?
I know absolutely nothing about him or what goes on at that address.
You're a little closer than I am.
Have you informed your local police about Hamas being in your community?
> if so, would'nt it be a pity if someone paid a
> visit late one night and did a little
> 're-decorating'?...if you catch my drift.
Well, in the first place, it's just wrong.
Secondly: it won't work -- it would be just another example of a hate-crime against Muslims. The sympathy towards the Muslim 'victims' generated would far out-weigh the costs of any damage caused. They may want and hope someone does some 're-decorating' so they can get some great press. In other words: it would be HELPING the Jehadis not hurting them.
Third: it might be a mistake. We know nothing about that address
or the person who registered the site. It might (or probably) is fake and
an un-deserving business could be targeted. Israeli Mossad thought they
were targeting a major terrorist a few years ago -- and insted assasinated
a waiter for a Morrocan restaurant. Mossad suffered serious damage as a
result (lost support even from within Israel) and the terrorist was
able to continue killing people. Mistakes cannot
be made - ever!
Forth: If it really is a terrorist operation (and you have to admit, HAMAS has a reputation) it would be very dangerous -- you might get killed. Leave any official action to the police.
Fifth: We want to shut them down permanentely. They'll just bring them back up tomorrow at another ISP. We need to get them into court, use the 'discovery process' to get more information into the hands of the public, get them fined, and deported or jailed for their activities.
Sixth: violence escalates. Look at the endless retalitory attacks occuring in India -- Israel -- N.Ireland, or the wars between the 'bloods' and the 'crypts' in Los Angeles. Do you want that in Orlando Florida?
That's half a dozen good reasons why 're-decorating' will not work. Help me think of some more.
> our governments are too slow:But if our goverments are too slow -- perhaps they could use a little help -- by obtaining good, solid, well documented evidence that can hold up in court.
The government can be made to go a little faster -- by getting on the phone, fax, and send letters to congress, your local officials and law enforcement and demand that they investigate why terrorists organizations (officially designated by the U.S. Dept. of State) are allowed to exist in our communities.
> it's all of that paperwork they have to go through,
> they can't break any rules you know.
I disagree with you there.
The US Government is already breaking it's own rules by not enforcing FARA. http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/fara/
The US Government is breaking it's own rules by not enforcing Executive Order 13224 (blocking Terrorist Property AND PROHIBITING TRANSACTIONS WITH PERSONS WHO COMMIT, THREATEN TO COMMIT, OR SUPPORT TERRORISM). ( http://www.treasury.gov/terrorism.html ) Every ISP on my list is in violation.
> it's too bad the terrorists do not sit around...and if we break our own important rules, we become terrorists ourselves.
> and debate what to do: they operate without
> laws and paperwork...the only way to fight
> terrorists is to do the unexpected: not to
> play by our own rules.
> anyway, getting even takes good planning, not toIt also means taking right action, effective action. Action that results in a permanent solution to the problem.
> mention waiting until the right moment...i can wait.
The terrorists need to be put away or deported. The ISPs need to enforce their contractual "terms of acceptable use".
Only the courts and law enforcement can accomplish that.
Only a lot of angry citizens -- with well reasoned actions -- can force the goverment and law enforcement out of it's natural lethargy.