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Posted: 29 February 2004 at 3:50am | IP Logged  

While I agree that things may have been taken further than they should have at this stage I can't agree with you about this being a game so it doesn't matter. I know I paraphrased but that seems to be what you are saying.

Little background first - A couple of years back I was in an accident that left me partially disabled and unable to work at my usual job. So I decided to retrain myself and started a university course. Now I am on a small fixed income and because of that I need to supplement that income somehow to make ends meet. My amenities fees for Uni are due and the sale of these keys(which i scrimped and saved all summer, I live in Australia, summer here) was to pay those fees.

So, while it may be just a game to you it was a little more important than that for me. I now cannot pay those fees and will be encumbered by the university until such time as I can pay them.

I would very much like to get ingame with all parties concerned and sort out this matter. If you can arrange that I would greatly appreciate it.

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hmm tricky situation

First i dont like this situation , but i must take the defence of shortie .. near 3 year i know him and first time i hear something like that from him. if he say he got problem with his friends for that "problem" he probably say the true ... but that hisnt me who decide.

i have alot of my friends playing EQ , and the same siuation happen sometime there also . why ? easy , alot of people are sharing pay pal account account or use friends credit card to play or buy something.When problem like that arrive ? easy again , sometime people use friend account credit or paypal without advertising ( even if the friends is thrustwortly ) or have in real life arrangementt for some deal and sometime bad luck happen or friends is late in some payment to his friends and his friends couldnt handle the temporary lost . alot of problem happen like that, this is bad but that happen . but again what s the deal with his friend , i dont think this is my buisness or anyone else too .

also , you must add in the last 3 day big lag , problem with chat. also you didnt ask a public check or monarchy patron check for him to try to post on monarchy board first instead to call him thieft first. that made more problem since the person that receice that on the other side start on defensive .

on a final note i am pretty sure that shortie will give all sing back or money if you ask him ;)


note :if that miss a little to compensate the lost since i am pretty sure they migth has spend 1 or 2 key ring like new rich man on lc msg me i will compensate the difference prety easyly
note 2 : pls apologize me for my english    still need some practise

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Thanks for your input Tenchu, appreciate it. Just to clear a few things up however.... We were in contact with Shortie for several days, the result of this was the return of 1 of the 30 sing keyrings stolen. Shortie is claiming his frined had access to his AC account and used that to collect the keyrings without his knowledge. I have no way of knowing if the paypal account used was Shorties or his friends, I can supply the address and name registered on Paypal for the transaction though. If anyone knows where Shortie lives then this will solve one problem.

If Shortie could supply the ingame and real life name of the friend who used his account then this would clear up another problem and we can get the proceedings started for possible fraud charges. I have emailed the Attorney General in his state and am awaiting a reply to see where we can take this matter.

It is definately my business if his friend has commited this fraud against me and should be the business of people who know Shortie. We are often judged by the people we associate with, it is a fact of life, and if Shortie associates with people of this nature then his friends should pull him aside and talk to him about it, or they aren't very good friends imho.

As for not checking with monarch/patron first, well you have a valid point, and I am sorry that this did not happen, but as I stated my hand was forced by Prosonics post on the VN boards about the matter. I sent my initial correspondence to Shorties patron via private message, she chose to make it public as is her right.

Thankyou for your offer of reparation, it was very generous. Ultimately I would like to see the people responsible come good on the items or cash.

Thankyou

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Ok first off, It wasn't my paypal account that was used. I personally do not have a paypal account. The only thing here was that he used my ac account to make the transaction. The other thing is that he is my rl friend. Sure he may have made a mistake, but I am not going to put him out there like that. If he wants to come forward then so be it. If not then oh well. Jenna sorry to hear about all that, but there are still other ways to make a living. And unfortunantly this would never hold up in a court. There is no evidence to relate anything to anyone and considering most of my friends ig dumped me over this bullcrap, i am just sick of it all and really could care less anymore.

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Shortie,

He may have made a mistake?

From what has been told it was a deliberate fraud....he promised to pay RL cash for items....he took the items....<with your account BTW> and then had the nerve to recall the transactions on these folks...after items were delivered.

I understand to an extent that you may be upset, but...as I've said before, it was your account that this happened on...it's your responsibility to make it right....

I wouldn't have dropped you as fast ...that was up to your patron, I just wanted to hear from you first before anything else was done. But the stories that you are saying, and the screen shots and stories from the others are not matching well.

One way or another .... this has to be made right by the people that were burnt from the deals....you have the power to fix it....do that..

 

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Posted: 29 February 2004 at 6:43pm | IP Logged  

Shortie,

Everyone that is involved in this, That includes the people that were stolen from with your account. Plus this monarchy, and Me as i was your Patron. I dont tolerant my Children doing underhanded things. I dont tolerant it from people I have known for 3+ yrs or people i call friend at any point. This is just gotten out of hand true. But i know that YOU have the power to fix this. I dont care if you have to now pay for this. But i have had offer to help get these things back to these people that have been shamed. I am not going to fix this. YOU and YOUR FRIEND need to fix this. Not this monarchy!! But you know what I dont care at this point what you decide to do. But I made a decision and i am sticking it. If Some feel that I have done wrong in this then I can go else where too. This is just a game to me a place for me to get away from the RL stress, with what is going on in my RL plus this I will be honest. ITS NOT WORTH THE TIME to deal with since i am no longer you patron. TA if you so choose to take him on as a vassel go right ahead. I will be taking that next ship out of here.
ITS NOT just a game to JENNA who does make extra money out of this game and ITS is worth her time to get this fixed. I WOULD like to see this resolved and Frankly Shortie i dont think you care about anyone or any of this. Personally if i was in your shoes. I would pay cash for what is oweing If my account had been used in this why. BUT then again that is just me.

SHORTIE YOU HAVE the power to make this thing comeplete disappear. You Have the right to make your own choices.

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Posted: 29 February 2004 at 8:01pm | IP Logged  

Yep, I agree. You and your friend need to fix this.

Sell the villa, and sell whatever else you or your friend bought and RETURN the sings.

That's the very least you and your friend could do.

And the line about "other ways to make a living" doesn't cut it. That's a lousy cop-out.

 



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ok this is my final saying then i am gone because this is really stupid. I am not paying anything nor will I ever. I am not fixing this because I didn't do anything, my character being used for it doesnt matter to me. THIS IS A f**kING GAME, you weird f**ks. When will this ever not be a game... NEVER! Wow, i now see that you all are wayyyyyyyy too obssessed with this game. This jenna person is also trying to make herself/himself look better and sh*t by saying all this disability bullsh*t. If this faggot pos wasn't so god damn lazy there are definently other ways of making money. So basically I end all this in saying, f**k off and good day. Bye.

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Off topic, I know, but just gave it a read through, and am choosing for the moment to keep my mouth shut. Anyways the off topic part... Dar!!! How the hell are ya Bro!!

Trav

just a question but how much did the sings sell for? Or rather supposed to be sold for?

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Well Shortie I'm really sorry you feel that way, but not suprised. From every conversation we had your attitude came across the same as your last post so I guess I shouldn't be suprised.

Oh and heaven forbid you ever suffer any kind of disability and someone treats you the same way you have treated me.

I truly feel sorry for you.

Thankyou to everyone who has tried to make this situation better, if you all ever need anything in game give me a yell.

Thankyou

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It stopped being a game when his "friend" agreed to pay $230.00 to Prosonic and $120.00 to Jenna.

I don't know about you folks, but there's a lot I could do with $350.00

Just remember, what comes around, goes around. It's the way of the world.



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Actually Kholmar, now that I think about it...

Mousey, remember Tiara Misu? She bought an account off of ebay, for $150 or so. Anyhow, the guy recalled the account on her. She got a lawyer, and either got the account back or a full refund.

(I know Mousey's watching this thread.) 

Tiara is a very nice lady, Jenna. I'm sure she could offer you some really good advice on how to get this started and what she did. Hers was resolved very quick too.

 to Kholmar, our resident cop and all around good, straight up guy.



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    Yes guilty as charged.. I have been watching this thread.  Only because it was my follower and friend. I remember Tira Masu think her brother took over the account once she moved back to the states from Korea. But yes she did indeed get it back.

    As far as Vapors/Shortie ... He claims he will not hang his friend out to dry.. I could never call someone a friend who would do this to me... game or no game... If he pulled this I would give them up cause there is no right in what has been done. As you notice Shortie also *NEVER* says he talked to his *friend* or that he is concerned in the least on this matter. He never even offered to talk to his *friend*. I talked to him like a person explained what went on in hopes of getting some resolution . I failed.  Anyways... 301-693-9255... This is how much respect I have for you.  I tried calling you to discuss this you never answered nor called back. I think you planned all this out in my opinion you saw an opportunity and took it hoping you would get away with it unnoticed.  

     Just my $.02 . I screenshotted 2 of my conversations with Vapors and got him to return 1 keyring.. so little for what was stolen but I tried.

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Gee, Shortie showed his true colors there I do belive!
That post alone would make me a believer in his guilt in this deal IF I had any doubts before!
Thanks Khol! Good advice there, Bro!

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Hiya Mousey!



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 WOW! Hell of a weekend I missed on the boards!

 And whether done by Shortie or his friend, the owner of the account is responsble for the actions of that account. PERIOD. Harcourt uses Gullum only becuase I TRUST him to do so. You should double check where you are placing your trusts Shortie.

 And get your head ut of the clouds shortie, once RL money exchanges hands it is no longer a game, it is a RL business transaction. Game thieves are bad enough, but RL thieves should be criminally charged!

 Many of you may remember I sold the Dark Myst account, and everything on it on Ebay. A transaction that went thru with out a hitch, the second that cheque cleared I handed over the username and password. So AC and Ebay can work in people with the slightest bit of honor are involved.

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Gullum wrote:

 WOW! Hell of a weekend I missed on the boards!



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